404 Sight Not Found for September 6, 2026 - Oklahoma is OK

[00:00:08] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to 404 sight not found for September 6, 2026. I kind of. My voice kind of broke there. I did the Peter Brady Time to Change. You ever watched a Brady Bunch? [00:00:21] Speaker B: No. [00:00:21] Speaker A: Okay. You're not missing much, but there's an episode. [00:00:24] Speaker B: I mean, I watched the Two Stupid Dogs episode where they make a parody of the Brady Bunch of. [00:00:29] Speaker A: So there's an episode where they. Where Peter Brady's voice is cracking because, like, you know, he's becoming a man. And so they. They do the song Time to Change and he does the Time to Change and, like, as he's singing, his voice cracks and whoops. Yeah, it's funny. They. It's. You know, they make lemonade out of lemons. [00:00:54] Speaker B: Yep. [00:00:54] Speaker A: So we're drinking coffee today. [00:00:56] Speaker B: At the time of recording this, it is still morning. We are drinking coffee. I am still waking up. [00:01:02] Speaker A: When we started the podcast, the idea was it was going to be like, coffee on the porch with Liam and Alyssa. [00:01:08] Speaker B: And then life happened. [00:01:09] Speaker A: Well. And then it got cold out. I didn't plan for that. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Yeah, we're like, well, it's Oklahoma. It's not gonna get cold. Right. [00:01:17] Speaker A: Well, and then you go outside and there's all this extra noise. And program director Oliver and, like, although he moved out. Yeah, Program director Oliver's gone. We never talked about that because we really didn't care. [00:01:28] Speaker B: No, we didn't know they were gone. We just knew that the barking stopped. And then when Liam's mom was in town, she saw that there was a for sale sign on their house. [00:01:36] Speaker A: So we're like, oh, well, there you go. [00:01:38] Speaker B: And then when my mom and stepdad were here a couple months ago, you guys, we're actually meeting the people, the new people moving in. [00:01:46] Speaker A: Our neighbors are super nice. We haven't really met them. Like, we haven't talked to them too [00:01:49] Speaker B: much, but we've had a couple people show up at our house looking for them. I think GPS is a little confused. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Well, we also had a number fall off of our house. [00:01:58] Speaker B: Yes. Oh, my Uber driver yesterday had a good laugh about that. [00:02:01] Speaker A: Oh, did he? Or is she right? [00:02:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I was like, sorry, it's just the last two numbers, the first one fell off.04. And she. Oh, yeah, it is so, like, I don't even think people always notice it, but. Because I pointed it out. [00:02:14] Speaker A: So, yeah, you're listening to 04 site. So we had a podcast. So we had another idea for a thing we wanted to do, and then. [00:02:26] Speaker B: And then we got a little intercepted with this One. [00:02:28] Speaker A: And then a thing happened. And it's. It's a good thing because sometimes you say a thing happened, and the immediate response is, oh, yeah, oh, no. But this was a good thing. So we'll kind of roll it back to. I'm always looking for places for us to go and eat because, you know, you want to get out of the house and do stuff. And I'm one of those people that, like, I can't just go out and go to the park. Like, I have to have a food destination. I'm very food oriented, which, you know, is probably why I'm so fat. But here we are. [00:02:58] Speaker B: What a different kind of destination work. Like, if you were going to, I don't know, buy a T shirt or something, or does it have to be food? Absolutely no way. Know how. It must be food. [00:03:06] Speaker A: Is it an edible T shirt? I think he got your answer. [00:03:13] Speaker B: I don't probably want to know if that's. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Anything can be edible if you try hard. [00:03:16] Speaker B: I'm gonna guess Lady Gaga had a meat dress. And maybe that was. I mean, I don't know. I don't really. Particulars. [00:03:25] Speaker A: There are edible clothing. So back to the story. [00:03:28] Speaker B: I know. I wasn't getting into that. [00:03:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So back to the story. We were looking for places to go, and I had seen a Facebook post from a restaurant, bar lounge called Tipsy Island. [00:03:42] Speaker B: And. [00:03:42] Speaker A: And the restaurant was complaining about people complaining about the QR codes. Like, QR codes and Hayley, if you're listening, I say complaining very nicely. Cause you weren't complaining, but it was just like, hey, we have QR codes. Sometimes they're hard for people. I understand, but it helps us. It lets us inventory, and it's hard. [00:04:02] Speaker B: And when you have the same issue coming up over and over again, I think there does come a point where you get tired of hearing it, and it's kind of a catch 22, because you have the thing that works. You don't really want to change that. But it's also frustrating when day in, day out, people are going, it's not working. Why don't you have a print menu? Why can't I do this? [00:04:23] Speaker A: Yeah, so it was a post about that, and that wasn't really what grabbed my attention. I just like how the post was written. And you could tell thought went into it, which I appreciated. And so I was like, oh, well, okay, It's a margarita lounge. We're not gonna enjoy that. That doesn't sound like a good time. And so I kind of like, filed it away where I File everything else and kind of forgot about it. And then I think I saw another post from them about something and I [00:04:48] Speaker B: don't think Harry Potter drinks. [00:04:49] Speaker A: No, no, this is before. I mean, I've seen this place for months, but I just never said anything about it because I didn't think we were going to be interested. [00:04:58] Speaker B: We're not huge drinkers. [00:05:00] Speaker A: No, that will admit to anymore publicly. [00:05:05] Speaker B: Yeah, there was a point in life where that was a different story, but that point is not now. [00:05:11] Speaker A: Yeah. So anyways, you know, we were, we were. I was, I was just like. We thought about. When we talked about it, I think it was like last month, we're like, this would be a fun place to go. And I don't ultimately know what made me. What made my opinion change. And maybe it was looking at the menu and going, they have a lot of drinks. This seems. [00:05:35] Speaker B: I think we liked the fact that they also had a decent little selection of mocktails. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Yes. And so we're like, okay, let's go do this. This sounds fun. I'm. I'm down to drink a little bit. And even if I drink a mocktail, I'm still down to like go out. And we wanted to go. Our anniversary, which is coming up, we are still a few weeks away, so. [00:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's on a Tuesday. [00:06:01] Speaker A: It's on a Tuesday. And so we're like, well, we're not going to take off work just to be irresponsible. I mean, not that we've ever done that before, but like. [00:06:09] Speaker B: And then have to go back to work. Right. [00:06:12] Speaker A: So we're like, well, we'll just, you know, we'll take off Friday because long weekend, long weekends are good. We definitely both needed it, you know, just nice to reset. So went on Friday and. [00:06:25] Speaker B: As in two days ago Friday. [00:06:26] Speaker A: Two days ago Friday, Yes. And we enjoyed it. And there's a few things that we really enjoyed. And the atmosphere was really cool. You go in and it wasn't super loud because it wasn't super busy. They had music playing, but it wasn't like, ridiculous. [00:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah. We went about three in the afternoon, which I know some of you are gonna. Oh, you were drinking at 3 in the afternoon. [00:06:47] Speaker A: You day drinkers. [00:06:48] Speaker B: Listen. There were mocktails involved. And hey, like a drink. [00:06:53] Speaker A: There's nothing wrong with going and have a drink at 3pm It's a different story if you're having a sixer at three or if you start at three and you don't stop until six. But no, I mean, we went. And so the biggest Takeaway that we enjoyed was the QR codes. And that's what this is all about. There's a reason for that. And if you follow us on Facebook, you know what that reason is. But we're gonna spell it out for those that don't, because there's a lot that don't, and you won't. Facebook is kind of our private space. I should really do a thing on that one day. [00:07:30] Speaker B: I think you did bring that one over to Macedon. So people over there. Yeah. So, like, what happened? [00:07:37] Speaker A: So. [00:07:37] Speaker B: But we were telling them while we were there. We were telling the staff, and the owner actually came over to greet us toward the end of our visit. [00:07:45] Speaker A: Yeah, we told them what the. The menu has meant to us. But I want to describe the menu, though, because, like, I want to roll back to kind of how that whole thing started. So you walk in, your table has a QR code on it. And what's really cool that you liked was it's all. It's kind of raised because it's a card, right? [00:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like a little sticker card. [00:08:03] Speaker A: And it's. [00:08:03] Speaker B: So you can feel where to scan, because that's, you know, the. The cool thing is that we have QR codes. The not cool thing is you have to know where to scan the QR code. [00:08:13] Speaker A: The coolest thing about the QR code that I didn't even the time, because it happened so fast, was because of the size of the code, I literally just got my phone near it, and before I could even square up, it was just, oh, QR code done. [00:08:27] Speaker B: Yes, it was an immediate. [00:08:29] Speaker A: And you probably. Because you did that too, right? [00:08:31] Speaker B: Like, I kind of tried to square it up, but it picked it up [00:08:34] Speaker A: right away very fast. [00:08:36] Speaker B: And they probably did that by design because it can be a learning curve for people. Well. [00:08:41] Speaker A: And people will do these small QR codes, and if you can point right at the QR code, you're golden. If not, forget it. But, yeah, they. Do we even say the name yet? It's called Tipsy Island. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Yeah, we did. [00:08:54] Speaker A: Okay. I want to make sure. Because I'm like. I don't want to just be like, they, they, they. So, yeah, they really thought it out. And so all the tables have QR codes, and I don't know the system. [00:09:05] Speaker B: They don't have printed menus. And that's the thing that people get a little grumpy about at times is that the way to access their menu is the QR code. Now, when we went in the server that we had, hey, Peyton, if you're listening. [00:09:19] Speaker A: Hi, Peyton. You're the best. [00:09:21] Speaker B: Did let us know that if it wasn't working for us, she could put in orders as well. So I think they do consider the fact that maybe not everyone has a [00:09:32] Speaker A: smartphone and they may have a board. The thing. So one of the cool things about the system is, and I believe they use something called Sky Tab. [00:09:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I knew it was Sky. [00:09:42] Speaker A: I want to Google it because I love. Again, I'm a nerd and I love tech. So I'm just like, I want to know how this thing works, but I believe, you know, from the little I can tell, each table gets a QR code. And what happens is, is you open a tab at your table. So normally you go to a bar, you open a tab. Right. They're keeping a tab somewhere. [00:10:03] Speaker B: Yeah. You give them your card, they open a tab for you in their back office or their point of sale system. [00:10:11] Speaker A: I never. I never had to give a card. I'm just. They opened a tab and then I paid when I was done. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Are you. I thought places usually had to give them a card so they could start the tab. [00:10:20] Speaker A: I don't think so. I think they just start your tab. They just write it somewhere. I don't know how. I don't know how they do it. [00:10:27] Speaker B: If you're a bartender, this place may have its own. [00:10:30] Speaker A: Well, but like in the old days, like, if you were a bartender, how did you keep a tab? Because, like, when I went to, like, Duke's all those millions of times, like, how did they know what I was drinking? Well, I mean, I just. [00:10:41] Speaker B: Listen, Somebody had a ledger. Yeah. [00:10:44] Speaker A: Someone was keeping, like, wine, diet bar, six long islands or whatever at the [00:10:50] Speaker B: end they tell you. [00:10:51] Speaker A: Yeah. And so, like, they were keeping. But anyways, the system does it for you, which is really cool because it tracks by table. Also, I believe one thing, and I could be. This could be a fever dream or this could have been somebody. I do believe it was her post. But one of the cool things about the system is it also allows them to keep stock. So they can actually see how much bourbon are we using? How much gin are we using? How much of this item are we using? Are we getting low on this? How do we have to order? So it actually allows them to order what they need instead of, like. So it also doubles. [00:11:30] Speaker B: Instead of having to try to manually [00:11:32] Speaker A: inventory all, it also doubles as an inventory system. The other really, really cool thing about it, and, And. And I. I'll kind of double. I want to double back to this Because I want to talk about the normal experience that a blind person has. But like, the other really cool thing is the menu is updated in real [00:11:48] Speaker B: time and it was very accessible because there was kind of the gamble of, okay, we could scan this QR code and it could take us to a site that has a picture. Yeah. [00:11:56] Speaker A: Or it could take us to a site that has not been properly marked up and is not WCAG compliant. I don't know if this site is completely WCAG compliant also. I don't care. I was out to go have a good time not audit a website. [00:12:09] Speaker B: And the other cool thing about the tab, so you can actually have multiple tabs at a table. So everybody just wants to pay their own way. Everyone can scan the QR code with their phone. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Yes. [00:12:18] Speaker B: Put in their payment details and do that now. IPhone is a little booger on this one and won't just auto complete the payment details. [00:12:29] Speaker A: Well, that was a little bit of a you can't do pay, which I was hoping you could. And so we went through this moment where I'm just like, please stall. Please stall for me. And I'm like having to go get my card number. [00:12:41] Speaker B: So I'm telling the story about how we met and trying to drag it [00:12:44] Speaker A: out and I'm like trying to get my card number. Then I'm realizing that I can't though I can copy it to my clipboard. I can't paste it in the card box. So I'm having to like jump to where I say I have my card number saved, read four numbers at a time, go back, write them down. [00:12:59] Speaker B: No, we don't have them memorized. [00:13:01] Speaker A: No. I can't even memorize my. Memorize my anniversary. You think I'm remember 16 digits again. Happening. [00:13:08] Speaker B: But besides that. [00:13:10] Speaker A: Which everything was okay. Besides for the fact that I put my card and it didn't work. Yeah, everything was good. Then I realized that there was a little button when you pop up in the card field and there was a little Apple Cash button. And I was like, oh, where were you five minutes ago? And so I just used my Apple Cash balance. [00:13:32] Speaker B: Yeah. But also. [00:13:32] Speaker A: So if you'd like to refill my Apple Cash, that is. No, I'm kidding. [00:13:36] Speaker B: But all that to say it's. It's a pretty accessible experience. [00:13:40] Speaker A: It was smooth. And it was no different than any other customer. [00:13:46] Speaker B: No. And didn't have to sign a receipt or anything. [00:13:49] Speaker A: And that's the beauty is so normally like, and. And if you're blind, you know this really well. If you're not blind. Come to our world for a moment. We're gonna kind of take you to what? Like, this is what going out usually is like for us. It's like, hey, Alyssa, we should go somewhere. [00:14:06] Speaker B: Yeah, okay. Where do we want to go? [00:14:07] Speaker A: Well, I don't know. I saw this cool pizza place. [00:14:10] Speaker B: All right, I guess we need to go check. [00:14:11] Speaker A: Let me go for a menu. Yeah, let me go see if they have a menu. Oh, oh, they have a website. Oh, they have a menu. Oh, cool. This looks good. Okay, pick my location. Yeah. Hey, they have a lot of really good pizzas here. I wonder if this menu's up to date. And then you get there, and the menu may or may not be up to date. Also, they may have specials that are written on a chalkboard or at your table. Or it could be like, I'm not going to call the restaurant out by name, because I do want to go here, but there is a restaurant I want to go check out in town. And their menu is all pictures. [00:14:47] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a couple of those. [00:14:49] Speaker A: And honestly, I haven't gotten there yet because I don't want to deal with it. [00:14:52] Speaker B: And because so now that means trying to OCR it, hoping that the OCR [00:14:57] Speaker A: is fairly accurate, opening, hoping that the information is correct. There was actually another place, and I don't remember where it was, and if I did, I still wouldn't say its name. But they didn't even have a menu online. And I was like, I really want to go eat there. But since I can't see their menu, I don't know what they have. So I'm just not going. [00:15:15] Speaker B: I am. And everyone has their own thoughts on this, but I personally do not want to go into a place and make these servers sit there and read me the menu. They have 50 million other things to do. [00:15:29] Speaker A: I was in a situation once where somebody had a lot of questions for the server. The server was very busy, kept sending them to and fro from the kitchen, and it was very embarrassing. And so my thing is, you're there to take my order. You're not there to read me the menu. I don't think that that's reasonable. [00:15:48] Speaker B: And some of them are very nice and happy to help or to make recommendations. If you kind of know, oh, this is an Italian place. Well, do you want pasta? Do you want fettuccine? You know, what kind of things do you want? And sometimes if you can narrow it down for them and they can read you two or three things, that might be. But some menus are pages Pages. Pages long. [00:16:11] Speaker A: And they're very long. I don't think it's fair to be like, well, because your upper management didn't put up a menu, I'm now gonna make you do this thing that you shouldn't be responsible for doing. And that's, you know. [00:16:24] Speaker B: And then, you know, we don't know if their other tables are waving them down, if they need water, if they need their check. [00:16:30] Speaker A: And I know people that would be like, well, that's a reasonable accommodation. And I'm like, listen, you cannot punish. You're just gonna be like, I see where you're going with this. You cannot punish the staff for the upper management's decisions. [00:16:44] Speaker B: Right. That's right. [00:16:45] Speaker A: So, like, you cannot punish tech support because a decision was made about a product that you don't like. Guess. Do you know how much input tech support had about that decision? [00:17:00] Speaker B: And we're not talking about our company, by the way. [00:17:02] Speaker A: No, this is just in general because I see this across the board. But do you know how much input the support person has? [00:17:08] Speaker B: Zilch. Zero. Zip. None. [00:17:10] Speaker A: Probably less than nothing. [00:17:11] Speaker B: And there are people that. Whoa. But they're the ones that can talk to. [00:17:15] Speaker A: No, not really. [00:17:19] Speaker B: Not really. Not typically. They will kind of look at that and go, oh, that's nice. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Now we're going to go do nothing about it. [00:17:28] Speaker A: I mean, they can maybe submit feedback that may or may not get ready. I will say some places are better about it. Not because they're better places, but just because the infrastructure allows for it. That's as far as I want to go into this conversation. But that is to say that don't punish people. [00:17:42] Speaker B: They're low on the totem pole. [00:17:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:44] Speaker B: For the. [00:17:45] Speaker A: They didn't choose that. I'm sure if they had their way, everything would be in Braille because A, it would be easier for them and B, it's the right thing to do. I was on a flight going to Seattle back in January, and they were so sure that they had a Braille in seat menu in their kit, and she was very upset that they didn't. And I was like, hey, it's all good. Like, these things happen. [00:18:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And if you go to a lot of chain restaurants, yeah, you're probably going to see Braille. But if you go to local places, like, it's a very costly. [00:18:21] Speaker A: It is. And also you don't know if that Braille is current. Yes. [00:18:24] Speaker B: That could have been fine. [00:18:25] Speaker A: Your larger chains are better now. I've noticed at really Keeping their menus current. I think they. Because they've got the kind of. The pipeline set. [00:18:36] Speaker B: I still remember going to Baba Evans with my folks, and my sister was. She wasn't working that day, I don't think. I think we just went there to eat, but she just like, walked behind the host stand, grabbed the Braille menu, handed it to me. It was pretty awesome. [00:18:59] Speaker A: Well, I went to Village Inn and the one guy was like, oh, we actually have Braille menus. I didn't know we had these here. And like. Because he went and actually looked. I think he was. [00:19:09] Speaker B: That makes sense. They probably could have got the commission to make them. [00:19:12] Speaker A: I would think so. I don't know who made them. I didn't. Or. [00:19:14] Speaker B: I mean, if they're chains, it might come from a place. [00:19:17] Speaker A: But yeah, Village, a chain. They've got one in, I think, Tulsa or something. I actually liked it. [00:19:23] Speaker B: Yeah. If you're a chain, you have that. If you're local also, like, and I know people could argue this the other way, but you may or may not ever see a blind person come into your establishment. And do you want to spend the money to make a Braille menu? You update your menu, two years later, you've never had anyone that's blind actually visit your establishment. [00:19:45] Speaker A: And maybe your menu is fluid, maybe it changes. [00:19:48] Speaker B: Is that all right and fair? No, but it is how it is. [00:19:51] Speaker A: You know, our friends at Big Easy, they. They've kind of been dialing in their brunch right now. And. And so, like. [00:19:56] Speaker B: But they've been super accommodating with us. [00:19:58] Speaker A: Right? [00:19:58] Speaker B: There are many changes, but they'll send. [00:20:01] Speaker A: They'll send me the Docx version. [00:20:04] Speaker B: And like, so it is about working with places. Yeah. And yeah, this one just happened to be Tipsy island, just happened to be accidentally really accessible. Oh, and then let's. So we. We talked about, you know, looking at the menu, then we talked about getting there, you know, making sure the menu's up to date. Now let's talk about, okay, you finished out your meal, now what? Yeah, you know, you have to pay. They bring you a tab. You may or may not know what the cost is, but. [00:20:34] Speaker A: And you also receipts. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Your receipts in print or it's on a tablet that you cannot access and [00:20:41] Speaker A: you can have them email to you if it's using one of those tablets. So we went to Cheddar's and they could do that. But yeah, with. With the nature of the system that they're using, I literally just, like, put in my name, put in my Email. Got my. My receipt. [00:20:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Gratuity. [00:20:58] Speaker A: Left the gratuity. Yeah. [00:21:00] Speaker B: Because that's always a little awkward at the table. Server has to ask you about a tip, and I don't think they're doing that, because. [00:21:07] Speaker A: Did I do good? Are you going to give me money? [00:21:10] Speaker B: And they're not trying. There's. Do you want to leave a tip? And they're not asking to be mean. They're genuinely trying to be helpful. But it does put you in a position where, what if you didn't have a great experience, and now you're telling them right in their face, like, I'm leaving you 10%. [00:21:25] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. [00:21:27] Speaker B: Nobody wants that. Nobody wants to deal with that. [00:21:29] Speaker A: Dude, my mom would kill me if I ever left 10%. My mom used to be a waitress. And I remember, like, I was younger. I was in my teens or whatever, and I was like, yeah, we're gonna go out to eat. And she's like, did you tip? And I was like, yeah, like, 10. She smacked me. She's like, you don't tip 10. I'm like, well, I don't know. What do you tip, then? Tell me. I. I'm not a typologist. I'm just a fat, blind kid, actually. I was really skinny back then, and [00:21:58] Speaker B: if you have cash, that's one way that you can potentially work around that. But what if you don't have any cash on you? Yeah, what if getting to the bank to pull cash out of the ATM is an issue? [00:22:10] Speaker A: So it was cool. It was all. It was all smooth. The other cool. [00:22:13] Speaker B: We had the same experience as everyone else. [00:22:15] Speaker A: The other cool thing I loved was that, like, there were customization options, like. And so, again, it's. I have the same experience that everyone else had. I didn't have to do anything special. I just showed up, you know, opened the tab, digitally picked what I wanted. It was brought to my table. I got to enjoy it. I didn't feel any different than anyone else there. And. And I. It's empowering. And, you know. I know. So, ultimately, yeah, this is. We're taking forever to kind of get to the whole reason why we were doing this in the first place. But, like, so Haley came over, the owner, who is awesome again, if you're listening, Haley. Hi. And we were just chatting about, like, hey, this is our first time here. And I think Haley knows. Haley knows when you're new, I think. Because I think Haley's got, like, a photographic memory for. For people and faces. [00:23:11] Speaker B: Also. You had some blind people walk in that haven't been there before. Of course we're new. [00:23:15] Speaker A: But also, like, if you were a really good. Like, and I know bartenders that can do this. They remember hundreds and thousands of people, and that makes a good bartender. But, like, you see new people, you know, they're new. You're gonna find out, like, how their experience was. That's good. Oh, that's good management. Like, that's the way you do it. And so we were chatting a bit about, like, hey, the QR codes were really cool. We got to order. Like, we felt, you know, just like everyone else and. And didn't feel like there were barriers. And so, you know, took my T shirt and. Because I bought a shirt because you could buy merch. And it's another great thing about that. Like, I didn't know they had merch. I. Maybe I would have seen it up on the wall if I could see, but it was right there. So I spent more money because the QR code had all the stuff that they had, and I'm a sucker for merch. I love shirts. I love hats. I love stupid stuff like that. And so, yeah, I ended up walking out with a T shirt, which I wouldn't have bought otherwise. And so, like, you know, we. We talked about everything. And so, like, we left and. And I just kind of was like, in my head, I'm like, well, that was a cool experience. Let's go back. Like, that was. That was fun. It was nice. [00:24:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:25] Speaker A: And I kind of took it as a. They'll probably just be like, ho, hum. Like cool. Blind people came, they had a good time. Go about your day. Saturday morning, early, there was a post on their page, and I would just say, like, go look up Tipsy island on Facebook. [00:24:44] Speaker B: They're kind of tricky to find them. [00:24:46] Speaker A: I wonder if I can link to it in the show description, because the [00:24:49] Speaker B: page that I thought it was was not the page that it was. It hadn't been updated since. I think. May I. She moved pages or something. [00:24:56] Speaker A: I'll. I'll. I'll link to it in the show [00:24:58] Speaker B: description if it'll let you. [00:25:00] Speaker A: Oh, it'll let me. It'll let me do whatever I want it to do. It might fight with me, but I'm going to win because I'm a nerd and I don't give up or something. But the post was really nice, and clearly we made an impact, and it was a positive impact, and I was very glad that I could make that impact. And not just in summary. [00:25:21] Speaker B: It was, you know, I gained an entirely new perspective on the QR codes. I saw them as convenience, and for this couple, it was equality. [00:25:30] Speaker A: Yeah. It was independence and dignity. And I agree. [00:25:36] Speaker B: And she is very much about, you know, making people feel welcome and included in her space. [00:25:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And I appreciate that. Not. You can tell. I mean, I always. I look at a place, and then sometimes I see, like, oh, there are regulars. And I'm just like, oh, well, what makes your place so great? Like, okay, cool. And then you go and you're like, yeah, I can understand why people would come back and. And we will go back. And we've already said we will. [00:26:04] Speaker B: Yeah. There's definitely been a few places in this area. You know, say what you will about Oklahoma. People are very nice, and we have found some kind of regular hangout spots, mostly food. [00:26:18] Speaker A: Hey. But I mean, with a few extras. Yeah. I mean, you found a place that you like. [00:26:24] Speaker B: Yes, very much. [00:26:25] Speaker A: A little bit. [00:26:26] Speaker B: Yeah, just. Just a tiny. [00:26:27] Speaker A: Just a little bit. [00:26:30] Speaker B: I. I can't shut up about it, in other words. [00:26:34] Speaker A: And I mean, I. I don't know if you want to talk about that now or if you want to save that for when you have more official. [00:26:40] Speaker B: When I have more details, I will say more. But there. I will just say that there is a really cool place also here in our town called Creative Corner, and they are an arts and crafts studio place you can go make all kinds of things. [00:26:56] Speaker A: I'm laughing because I was gonna surprise Alyssa with that for our anniversary and take her there. And she beat me to it by, like, a month and a half. Like, I had so much found it and was like, I'm not going to say anything. I don't know if she knows about it. I'm going to, like, call them, surprise her. [00:27:14] Speaker B: I had forgotten about it. My mom found it, like, when we moved in because she was looking at, oh, what are some things that you guys could go do in the area? And just, I think did a Google search for, like, things to do in Yukon. [00:27:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think cow tipping was on the list. I just recorded a podcast for After Sight, which will be out, I think, soon. And the first question the host asked me was, so, Oklahoma, how many cows did you have to tip in order to get here? And My answer was, oh, 17.5. [00:27:52] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:27:53] Speaker A: A side of beef that I had to move out of the way, too. [00:27:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:56] Speaker A: So it counts. [00:27:57] Speaker B: But, yeah, this place that. So they do, like, ceramic, clay. They have pottery, painting. They have some, like, stuff. Stained glass. They have different projects. You can Go do. And then they also have, like, some scheduled sessions where, in fact, while I was there yesterday painting my. Painting my pottery, they were doing a lamps and votives little workshop at the table behind us that had some people. Yeah. [00:28:23] Speaker A: Oh, that's awesome. [00:28:24] Speaker B: And they also. They have somebody come in and do a blown glass class. And I guess they do a very, like, basic beginner one that's very low fire so it. They don't have to have all of the special. [00:28:37] Speaker A: I did a whole. I did because, like, glassblowing is cool. I don't know a lot about it, but I used to follow a guy on Twitch. I haven't talked to him in years. Off to reach out to Matt again, see how he's doing. But he lives up in Newfoundland and he has a little glassblowing studio that he built. Like, he converted his shed into a workshop. And he was telling me, like, when he is blowing glass, he's got like a whole exhaust fan. He's got a whole filtration system because, I mean, you're. You're melting glass. [00:29:09] Speaker B: It's what they're doing, I guess, is low temp enough because they're just doing very basic stuff, but it's not as stringent. Like, there's torches on a table. [00:29:21] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:29:22] Speaker B: So it's very low level, like, because they. This place is designed for, you know, to try to reach all skill levels in some way so you can be a complete beginner. In fact, when I was there yesterday, some people were there that were painting pottery for the first time and they give instructions and they have people helping, but without. [00:29:41] Speaker A: Without spoiling anything as a can't because we. We don't know. There's some cool stuff hopefully coming. [00:29:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:48] Speaker A: From that. And that'll be cool to share and like, I have some cool stuff I'll get to share. I think pretty soon, too. This is the week for side stuff. Like, yes, we're both wheeling and dealing this week. [00:30:01] Speaker B: Things are happening. And yeah, actually the first time I went there was when you were out of town. [00:30:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I was in Albuquerque and wanted [00:30:09] Speaker B: to see how it would go. It actually reached out to them in advance and said, hey, I'm blind. Is that an issue for you all? And got back at almost an immediate, like, no, please come in. We'd love to have you. And a lot of places around here. Super great about that. [00:30:25] Speaker A: And that is something I will say about Oklahoma. And. And people trash it. Like, I'm sure. Because this podcast is not. Hi, Fi. Jonathan Price isn't listening to It. But maybe he will. And he'll be like, wow, how come you're not using real microphones? And then I'll be like, because. [00:30:42] Speaker B: Because that's not how this is. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Because that's not how this works. But like, yeah, I mean, I know that he had family and he's mentioned that he had family here, and it was just like, he's not really huge on it, so he was like, wow, Oklahoma. But I really like it here. And. And you meet a lot of really nice people and I, I like it here. It's not where I ever thought I would land, but I'm content, you know, I'll go where we have to go. But like, I could see this being a good place to stay if, you know there's. You've got trade offs. Right. So with everything, there's always a trade off. But I like it here. It's. It's nice. And we met really cool people and found really cool places to go. And unlike sans the times that people have been like, are y' all brother and sister? I mean, it's been great. [00:31:35] Speaker B: That gets a little weird. [00:31:36] Speaker A: That, that gets a little strange. And apparently the rings aren't a good enough indicator or. Well, maybe, maybe they are. Actually. I'm just gonna leave that one alone. But you know. Yeah, yeehaw. But yeah, that was our experience at Tipsy Island. It was really awesome. If you're in the Oklahoma City area, all one of you, I guess, I don't know, please go check them out. They're really cool. They're on Reno Avenue in the city, and they are super nice and super friendly and it's a really cool atmosphere. I have referred to it as a bar. I would really call it more of a lounge. It's not bar. Like it's. It's nice. I mean, whenever you hear bar, you never really have a good opinion of a bar because a bar is always kind of dirty and seedy and. [00:32:33] Speaker B: Well, this place is definitely not that now. I know they're. One of the things they're working on is getting more kitchen staff. So food is kind of like at dinner time at this point. [00:32:44] Speaker A: Yeah. And, and this is. [00:32:45] Speaker B: Okay. [00:32:46] Speaker A: And the food menu, I mean, and, and no offense, it's nothing to write home about, but it's. That's not why you go. The food's kind of a nice extra. [00:32:53] Speaker B: It's like you're going for some drinks. It's like atmosphere. [00:32:56] Speaker A: Is it brisk? Yeah, it's brisket, Mac and cheese, and hot dogs. And you know what that's fine. [00:33:03] Speaker B: Yeah. It's enough to put something in your stomach if you need it. [00:33:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And you may. And oh, and baked potatoes. So like the big, the baked potatoes is a big thing. So I guess on Wednesday they do like baked potato night. So it's like, I think it's like a two dollar baked potato and you can load it up with whatever you want to and like you would like that. I don't like baked potatoes, but I [00:33:24] Speaker B: know I love baked potatoes. [00:33:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I am not a, I am not a baked potato fan. [00:33:29] Speaker B: Well, if we're looking for a later dinner on Wednesday. [00:33:32] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, as long as we don't mind a slightly bigger. Oh no, we don't want to do Wednesday because it's speed dating night. [00:33:37] Speaker B: Oh, never mind. [00:33:37] Speaker A: I mean, if you want to stay home, I'll go to speed dating. That's cool. [00:33:40] Speaker B: No. [00:33:40] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Yeah, they do some activities there too. That's right. [00:33:48] Speaker A: But it's a cool place and it's, it's really neat and they care and that's. I think it's one thing to own a place and, and to run a place, but when you genuinely care, it shows. [00:34:01] Speaker B: And that's been our find with a lot of the places we go around here are smaller businesses. [00:34:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:07] Speaker B: And the owners are very involved, very hands on. And we've met. Like I, I kind of got punked. I didn't realize that the lady I was working with at Creative Corner for like an hour and a half was the owner until it kind of came up that she opened this place. And I went, oh yeah. [00:34:24] Speaker A: And, and I, I mean, I think by and large, I think every place that we've been to, people have been really cool. I don't think I've been to a bad place here. I really. [00:34:33] Speaker B: Not at all. Even some of the chain or more chain. [00:34:36] Speaker A: No. I'm like, have we ever really had a bad experience anywhere? No. [00:34:39] Speaker B: We've only gone to the one local by ourselves cuz the other one we went when we had family in town. But they, they love us. [00:34:46] Speaker A: There's a place called the Local. It's L, O K A L because. [00:34:50] Speaker B: Okay, okay. [00:34:51] Speaker A: And they're really cool. I like them. It's. It's a little louder than I'd like just because they've got the tile. [00:34:58] Speaker B: Last time we were there, we were hopping out of the Uber and we're trying to figure out where the building was and the server that we had had the time before comes running out the door is like, hey, Liam, Melissa. It's Nicole. Here, I'll help you guys out. [00:35:10] Speaker A: Yeah, so, I mean, people are just really cool. [00:35:13] Speaker B: And even Hideaway, they've been really nice. And there's more of those around the states. Yeah, but all the servers and everybody we've had, there have been. [00:35:21] Speaker A: No, people have been really great. I think it's just. It's cool. And, and honestly, like, growing up in Chicago, nobody cared. It's just like, hey, what do you want? Get on my way. [00:35:31] Speaker B: Welcome to Joey's. [00:35:32] Speaker A: Yeah, welcome to Joey's. I mean, definitely, there were some small places, obviously, that I knew really well that I got treated well at, but like, yeah, by and large, like Chicago, we don't. [00:35:42] Speaker B: Everyone's in a rush. [00:35:43] Speaker A: We're on a rush to get somewhere. We don't care about your feelings. [00:35:46] Speaker B: Down here, time moves a little slower. [00:35:49] Speaker A: Yeah, you work on Oklahoma time. I, I will say, like, you know, in Texas, you work on cowboy time. A cowboy tells you he's gonna do something, and I'll get to it when he gets to it. And so things are kind of slower pace down here. And I like it. It's. It's nice. I don't like all the things about the South, I think that's not for this podcast, the temperature, or for any podcast, really, because I don't go there. [00:36:12] Speaker B: It's too hot. [00:36:13] Speaker A: Yeah, but, but really, you get what I'm saying? [00:36:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:36:17] Speaker A: But by and large, like, I like it here. People are nice. I, you know, people are friendly. I have even had people complain. So one of the things that people in Oklahoma get a little frosty over, all the out of towners coming in [00:36:34] Speaker B: and buying up all the cheap housing. [00:36:35] Speaker A: Buying up all the housing. And I remember being in an Uber and this guy was just railing about it and he was just like, yeah, I grew up. It was just people from Oklahoma. Now you got all these people from California and, and like New York coming in here and driving up all the prices. And I'm like, well, I'm from Chicago. He's like, well, you're all right, you're nice, but like, you know, I can't stand the rest of them. And I'm like, well, thanks, I appreciate it, but foot the mouth a little [00:37:09] Speaker B: bit there, I think. [00:37:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And I, I think I got a pass because I was blind, to be honest with you. And I was nice to him and he was nice to me, but I think, yeah, you get a lot of people in here and so they're just like, oh, it's cheap. We're going to Come here and then we're going to kind of like wreck it. But like, yeah, it's cheap and it's, you know, good schools and decent infrastructure. [00:37:29] Speaker B: Not where we are. I know people move out here. They don't wanna. [00:37:31] Speaker A: The public transit is not what I am. [00:37:35] Speaker B: What. Public transit. [00:37:36] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:37:37] Speaker B: But out here in the city, there's some. [00:37:40] Speaker A: It's better than living in northeastern Missouri where there was nothing. So I will take it. You can get Ubers, you can get lifts. We get to where we want to go, sometimes you wait a few minutes for it, but again, you pay a little more, it's still worth it. I mean, we've got all the things we like. We don't have Waymos and stuff, but we do have like two hour Amazon delivery, which is cool. [00:38:02] Speaker B: Yeah. There's a fulfillment center. [00:38:04] Speaker A: Yeah. They must have opened one. [00:38:07] Speaker B: I think there's a few in the city. [00:38:09] Speaker A: But that is to say that Oklahoma is in fact. Okay, that might be the title of our. Oklahoma is okay. [00:38:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Now that we've had a 45 minute infomercial here. Here about. [00:38:23] Speaker A: For Tipsy Island. Yeah. And friends, I forget what the website address is, but I will link to that Facebook post and give them, give them some love, you know, like the post, say, hey, thanks. And yeah, they're good people and they're very kind. [00:38:39] Speaker B: Yeah. It was somebody you knew? Was. Did he comment directly on their post or on your post that. The comment about, you know, when blind people find a place that treats us well, are extremely loyal. [00:38:51] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it was Craig and it, I mean, it's public, so it's not like I'm hiding it or anything. [00:38:57] Speaker B: Yeah. I didn't know if he commented on your share of it. [00:38:59] Speaker A: No, he commented on my share, but my share is public, I believe, because it's public post. So your shares go. Yeah, no, and, and it's true. When, when a place is inclusive, you are loyal to that place. And that is so true. And that's probably one of the most inclusive experiences I've ever had in my life. And it was an accident. And that's awesome. [00:39:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And we've had some people, what if there's not a smartphone? What if I don't have a smartphone? I. I do think they think about you. I don't think they're gonna go, well, too bad, there's more. [00:39:33] Speaker A: And I wanna, I wanna flip that on its head for a minute because I have heard that, well, what if I don't have a smartphone and I can't, you know, I'm I'm excluded and I just want to, you know, I was going to say, like, I'm blind. Do you know how that many things I'm excluded from. Like, I get what you're saying and you're not wrong, but like, we're excluded from large swaths of everyday life. [00:39:54] Speaker B: Yep. [00:39:55] Speaker A: So I don't, I care, but I don't care because, oh, there is part [00:40:02] Speaker B: of me in that that's like, yeah, cry me a river. [00:40:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, like, this is what I. Welcome to my world, right? Like, like, yeah, I think it sucks if it's gone all digital. And I, I do understand. But also it helps them manage inventory. It helps them bookkeep. I don't see anything wrong with it. I would like to see a low tech option and I think there should be one. But also I don't feel too bad because I'm, I'm shut out of so much stuff that like, I just. My ability to feel bad about it is it like, you shouldn't bring that to me. You know what I mean? Like, don't, don't come at me with the. Well, that excludes. I don't care. I'm excluded from so much stuff. I, I just don't. I remember in June in high school making a game and I, I built an audio only game and there was nothing on screen. And my, my programming teacher is like, well, there's nothing on screen. How do I know what's going on? And I was just like, yeah, welcome to my world. It sucks, doesn't it? And he didn't like it, but I was like, this is what I deal with every day. I'm like, I'm not gonna sit here and be like, it's okay. But now you understand what the barrier is like, [00:41:20] Speaker B: Indeed. [00:41:20] Speaker A: Yeah. So I mean, yeah, I get off my soapbox now, but yeah, I'm just saying, like, yeah. [00:41:28] Speaker B: And sorry if that sounds elitist or hoy toy in any kind of way. It's not meant that way. [00:41:33] Speaker A: But I mean, it'll do it. I mean it a little elitistly, honestly. I'm not gonna lie. I'll be honest about it. But I also don't feel bad because, like, we get shut out of so much stuff. And like, yeah, it's. [00:41:45] Speaker B: And that's not meant to be an oh, pity me. It's just. [00:41:48] Speaker A: It's life. [00:41:48] Speaker B: That's what happens sometimes. [00:41:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's the nature of the world that we live in, you know, I mean, the world was not really built for us. It was Built for people that could [00:41:58] Speaker B: see and that can walk. [00:42:00] Speaker A: We. We just happened to figure out how to make it work. And sometimes that's what you got to do. I always say, like, people will say, well, how are you going to do this? I'm going to be like, I don't know. I'm just going to figure it out. [00:42:10] Speaker B: Yeah. It was made for able bodied. You can see, you can walk. And like, people in wheelchairs also get shut out of so much because of steps. [00:42:19] Speaker A: Well, they would get shut out of our house. [00:42:21] Speaker B: Yeah, sure would. [00:42:22] Speaker A: Our house is not ADA compliant. Like, you can't get up to the door. [00:42:26] Speaker B: Also, some of our doorways are way too narrow. Oh, I have like whacked my shoulders on some of these doorways and I don't have wide shoulders. [00:42:34] Speaker A: Yeah, our. Our house definitely was not built with accessibility in mind. [00:42:40] Speaker B: And everything's tall. Oh, my goodness, it's so tall. The cabinets and everything in the kitchen and the closet, shelving. It's tall. [00:42:48] Speaker A: Well, they just did that so that you have to rely on me and so that you'll never leave me. That's. That's really. Yeah. [00:42:54] Speaker B: So what happened? [00:42:55] Speaker A: So that is. That is Liam dependence. It's a feature I got with the house. I got the you have to be dependent on Liam feature. [00:43:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Or get a step stool and curse because you realize you're in front of the wrong cabinet and it's quicker to just ask Liam. [00:43:11] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Now you're learning. By the way, that is true. I mean, the number of times. Hey, Liam, can you go get this or can you get the clothes out of the washer? [00:43:23] Speaker B: Because, like, I have to stand on a step stool and pretty much fold myself in half over the top of the washer to dig everything out of the bottom. It is a sight to be. [00:43:33] Speaker A: That's gonna be great until you fall in. [00:43:35] Speaker B: That's what concerns me because I will be on my head. I don't like it. [00:43:41] Speaker A: Your legs will just be kicking and I got to grab you, pull you up by the legs. [00:43:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Wouldn't that be quite a call to the emergency response? Yeah. My wife is stuck in the washing. [00:43:51] Speaker A: My wife fell in the washing machine. [00:43:54] Speaker B: All right, I think we have talked long enough. Think, think. Maybe we've reached a good stopping point. We're just going off in a tangent at this point. [00:44:06] Speaker A: So, like, if you go head first on the washing machine, does your voice make a funny noise echo around it? [00:44:11] Speaker B: I don't want to know. [00:44:12] Speaker A: Like, help, help get me out. [00:44:15] Speaker B: I'm not about to Find out. [00:44:17] Speaker A: I mean, why. It'd be a good experiment. [00:44:21] Speaker B: But what if EMS has to come get me out? [00:44:24] Speaker A: Well, I haven't thought everything through yet. I'm. [00:44:26] Speaker B: I'm still working on the blood rushes to my head and I pass out. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Then you stop making noise. And then we can't test it anymore. And. [00:44:33] Speaker B: Yeah, that sucks. [00:44:36] Speaker A: Yeah. Let me. Let me think this one through first. I want to work out the contingencies. Anyways, if there's a topic that you think we should talk about on this [00:44:46] Speaker B: podcast or shouldn't, and we'll do it anyway. [00:44:48] Speaker A: Oh, we do what we want. But leave us a comment on YouTube if you're. If you're listening on YouTube. Or drop us a line on Mastodon, I guess, or something. [00:44:59] Speaker B: You post it under the L Works account. Right. So people can see them. [00:45:02] Speaker A: Yeah. But also. Yeah, if you're watching this on YouTube, drop us a line. Would love to hear from you. And we have another episode planned that we'll record soon. It'll be a tour of our entertainment center. Entertainment center. It was also. [00:45:17] Speaker B: This was originally going to be that. And we kind of changed our mind [00:45:20] Speaker A: and went, that is gonna be such a scintillating. I'm holding this thing up. Let me describe it to you. There's a picture on my. I don't know what the picture actually is, but it's really old, and it's cool and it's old. It's from, like, the 1900s. [00:45:38] Speaker B: It'll be amusing. It'll definitely be a lot less serious. [00:45:43] Speaker A: It's gonna be just us pulling down toys from the entertainment center. Pretty much them. And getting distracted, probably. So. [00:45:49] Speaker B: So if that's something you're interested in listening to, that'll be. Yeah. Unless another topic kind of happens upon us like this one did for some reason. [00:46:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, we both might have some cool news to share soon, so we may have to do an episode on that. Make it another infomercial. [00:46:07] Speaker B: We'll have to, like, start with the cheesy news, music and everything. Breaking news at casa de Irvin. [00:46:12] Speaker A: 404. Breaking news. Yeah, exactly. Breaking news from Casa Dervin. Exactly. [00:46:22] Speaker B: Tom, I'm standing here, standing here outside [00:46:26] Speaker A: the home of the Irvins. They have some breaking news. Yeah. So we'll see. Anyways, we probably should stop now. [00:46:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Coffee's, I think, starting to work. [00:46:43] Speaker A: I don't know. I kind of want to go and take a nap, to be honest with you, so maybe I'll do that. Anyways, thank you for listening. And we will see you when we see you here on 404. Site not found.